Live For Live Music: With so many songwriters in Fruition, I always wonder how much of a scrum the sessions are. How many songs did you have to choose from for the new album?Jay Cobb Anderson: It was difficult. There were a lot of songs on the table. In the past, we’ve tried to split it up more equally so you heard from each songwriter. For this album we wanted to pick all of the songs we felt the strongest about. I ended up having more songs on this record than the others, but we think these songs fit together the best and were the strongest. This was an especially difficult one though.L4LM: Have you guys considered a double or even a triple album?JCA: Absolutely. Seeing how this one goes…that may end up happening for the next record. We have so much material. That said, another thing we want to do is get a live record out there too. We might end up putting two things out, a live record and an LP. We’ll see.L4LM: I feel like you have a rabid-enough fan base that you could put out two records a year, easily.JCA: I totally agree with you. That’s the thing with being self-promoted. Our whole goal as a band has been to build a strong enough team, including funding, to be able to put out records as much as we would like. That’s been difficult. But we did just sign on with LoHi Records, and this whole experience working with them has been great. We loved working with them. They love us. Watching It All Fall Apart, the new record, it’s a product of that love.With that love in mind, we are already starting to think of stuff for a new album, like I said. We hope this is the start of a long and successful friendship. We’re really excited about that. The way the music industry works now, everything is on you. We want to make more music, but when it’s all on you it’s a lot more difficult.L4LM: Tim Carbone (Railroad Earth) and his partners really seem to have put something wonderful together with LoHi Records. Did you get to work with Tim on Watching It All Fall Apart?JCA: He didn’t work on the record itself, but he was the catalyst for us joining on LoHi. He sat in with us at the Hillberry Music Festival, and when we got done with our set he asked us what we planned on doing with our new material. That was about the same time when we were considering what to do ourselves. He listened to what we had and said he loved it and invited us to work with LoHi.It was perfect timing. We had been shopping around for a home for the music and hadn’t found any offers we liked. Then we chatted with the crew at LoHi and it evolved into what it is now. And we’re really stoked.Fruition – “Labor Of Love” – Northwest String Summit – 7/12/17[Video: Live For Live Music]L4LM: When writing songs do you ever have moments where you think…”This is it, this is one of the good ones,” or even the opposite like, say, “This blows. No one is gonna dig this at all.” If so, how often are you right?JCA: Absolutely! It’s funny. A lot of the time I get it wrong. Our first single, “I’ll Never Sing Your Name”, wasn’t even on the table for the new record. I thought it was just this little crappy song that I wrote and it ended up being the first single.That happened in the past too…on our album Just One Of Them Nights, I thought the title track was no good at all. Then I played a solo show with my buddy Brad Parsons and he was like “Where did that song come from?” I said something dismissive and he was like, “No man, you need to play that. You need to play that for your band!” And then it became the title track of that album. So I guess I’m not that good at predicting…L4LM: How many shows did Fruition play last year?JCA: Oh god, I have no idea. At least 150. Probably closer to 200.L4LM: Are you folks looking to match the same pace this year?JCA: Oh yeah. We’re on the first leg of a two-and-a-half month tour. I think we’re doing five weeks, taking ten days off, then another five. Then, for spring into the summer we start doing all the one-offs, week-long runs and, of course, the festivals!L4LM: The glorious festivals!JCA: YES!L4LM: When Fruition gets going, you front-line folks have been known to slam around the stage in an almost basketball team-style weave. Ever slip up and slam into each other when you get all caught up in the music?JCA: Oh yeah. A lot of that energy you see, at least like what you are describing, started out in our origins as a busking band. When you’re out on the street playing for cash and trying to get attention, you tend to move around a lot. So much of that stuff, like our movement, comes from that era. Most of the worst instances of banging into each other happened back then…Once we started playing on stages, we got to the point where we had a lot more room. Luckily most of the stages these days give us enough room.L4LM: You gotta watch out for Mimi…she looks like she could take you out with those elbows.JCA: I worry mostly about me and my lanky self.Fruition – “Hey Hey What Can I Do” (Led Zeppelin cover) – Hoxeyville Music Festival – 8/19/17:[Video: Live For Live Music]L4LM: Your live performances are exhausting to watch, but damn exciting too. Do you feel like the new record captures that live Fruition vibe?JCA: Most of the songs that we recorded for this disc are ones we hadn’t played live. It was fun to try and translate that energy into them. I do think this one captures the energy better. The song “I’ll Never Sing Your Name” [on the album] was recorded totally live. There are a couple of tunes on this record that were recorded almost completely in-the-moment.L4LM: Do you feel like the zeitgeist influences your songwriting? The world is getting kinda weird and harsh lately…JCA: I think with this album it definitely did. Like you said…it’s a strange world out there. There’s no big social commentary on this album, but I think Watching It All Fall Apart kinda works for a title and a description of the way the world seems sometimes.We want to make more of a political statement, but you have to be careful. It seems one of the big problems is the splitting along lines and the dividing that is happening among people being so hard on one side or the other. We don’t want to make that gap bigger…we want to bring people together.For a full list of upcoming Fruition tour dates, head to the band’s website. You can listen to their new album, Watching It All Fall Apart, below via Spotify:Fruition – Watching It All Fall Apart[Cover photo via Sam Shinault] Over the past year, Fruition has seen their stardom rise on a national scale, slowly but steadily climbing up the bills of renowned music festivals and performing at iconic venues like Colorado’s Red Rocks Amphitheatre. We caught up with Fruition lead guitarist Jay Cobb Anderson as he prepared to load in for a gig in Kansas the same week the band’s released their newest disc, Watching It All Fall Apart. The life of a touring musician may be a dream come true, but no one ever claimed it was easy. Even with all that going on, Jay was more than happy to talk about the stellar selection of new tunes on Fruition’s new album and the process the band went through to composing and selecting the tracks.
At midnight, Mark Ronson, Miley Cyrus, and Sean Lennon released a brand new track together, a powerful cover of “Happy Xmas (War Is Over)”, with the Harlem Community Choir. The 1971 classic was originally written by John Lennon and Yoko Ono, the parents of Sean Lennon, as a protest song against the Vietnam War before it became a Christmas standard.This weekend, Cyrus and Lennon will sing their duet on Saturday Night Live. During an interview with Howard Stern‘s Sirius XM show on Wednesday, she admitted to the upcoming surprise performance, saying “It’s just so magic every time we sing it… goosebumps all over the place.”Cyrus goes on to explain the song choice: “This song… the way that it is so true to where we are right now and these lyrics of, ‘What have we done?’ Are we doing enough, are we actually active? All we do is complain and we don’t actually get out there and do enough in our communities,” she said. “I think it’s so timely for right now, and for him (Sean) and I just to kind of be this… next generation to encourage people to fight for the change we want to see (makes it a perfect choice).”“Happy Xmas (War Is Over)” marks the second single released by Miley Cyrus and Mark Ronson is as many weeks, following the undeniably catchy “Nothing Breaks Like A Heart”.Ronson and Cyrus are currently working on the country-pop star’s seventh studio album together, much to the delight of fans starving for more from the young artist (including us, guilty!). Cyrus has been rather quiet since her 2017 album, Younger Now–even deleting her personal Instagram account for several months leading to the announcement of her most recent single. Before that, she self-released her boldest work of art to date, Miley Cyrus & Her Dead Petz, with Wayne Coyne and The Flaming Lips.On the other hand, Sean Lennon is currently gearing up to release his second original album with bassist Les Claypool, South of Reality, under the moniker The Claypool Lennon Delirium. The psychedelic song crafters have been met with wildly deserving success since their inception in 2016, and will tour this upcoming spring in support of the new music.Listen to the new single from Mark Ronson, Miley Cyrus, and Sean Lennon below:
DNV GL consultants: Global oil demand will peak in 2022 FacebookTwitterLinkedInEmailPrint分享Reuters:Global oil demand will peak in three years, plateau until around 2030 and then decline sharply, energy adviser DNV GL said in one of the most aggressive forecasts yet for peak oil.Most oil companies expect demand to peak between the late 2020s and the 2040s. The International Energy Agency (IEA), which advises Western economies on energy policy, does not expect a peak before 2040, with rising petrochemicals and aviation demand more than offsetting declining oil demand for road transportation.“The main reason for forecasting peak oil demand in the early 2020s is our strong belief in the uptake of electric vehicles, as well as a less bullish belief in the growth of petrochemicals,” Sverre Alvik, head of DNV GL’s Energy Transition Outlook (ETO), said in an email to Reuters.While DNV GL’s latest forecast shows oil demand peaking in 2022, one year sooner than it estimated last year, the difference is marginal and demand is expected to remain relatively flat over the 2020-2028 period, Alvik added.Demand for natural gas, which oil companies say could serve as a bridge in the global transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy, is seen surpassing oil demand in 2026 and plateauing in 2033, DNV GL said.Meanwhile, electricity’s share of the total energy mix is predicted to double by mid-century to 40% of today’s levels, with solar and wind generation accounting for two-thirds of electricity output. Annual power grid spending is forecast to more than double to $1.7 trillion to connect thousands of new solar and wind farms and millions of electric vehicles.More: Oil demand to peak in three years, says energy adviser DNV GL
(REUTERS)-Bayern Munich ran riot with a second successive 5-1 hammering of Arsenal to reach the Champions League quarter-finals 10-2 on aggregate at a stunned Emirates Stadium on Tuesday.Trailing 5-1 from the first leg and striving to become the first team in Champions League history to overturn such a deficit, Arsenal led at halftime through Theo Walcott’s goal.But once Robert Lewandowski equalised from the penalty spot and Arsenal skipper Laurent Koscielny was sent off, the Bundesliga leaders ran amok against their dispirited hosts.Robben capitalised on a defensive mistake in the 68th minute before substitute Douglas Costa curled in a third to send Arsenal’s fans streaming towards the exits.Bayern were not finished though and Arturo Vidal struck twice as Arsenal slumped to a seventh successive elimination at the last-16 stage in humiliating fashion.
Jim Murphy explains why great customer development is crucial to start-up success. WatTF blogger Jim Murphy, has used Scrum “the agile methodology that adds the project management rituals that are compatible with the engineering practices of XP” successfully for years.However, he has noticed one recurring issue with Scrum- the management of product backlog. Murphy writes, “The backlog is the answer to the question: What is the most important work we should do right now?”The setting of backlog priorities and strategies that make sense, is crucial to start-up success. According to Murphy, project management and customer development are two important pieces of this start-up puzzle.In this excellent post, Murphy presents an embedded link to a PowerPoint presentation by Steve Blank on the topic of “Customer Development Methodology.” This ppt. is a 76-page overview of customer development tactics, and how they should be similar to those used for product development.“Wrapping the iterative nature of agile development in another outer loop called Customer Development makes a ton of sense to me,” writes Murphy. To learn more and discover how these concepts relate to your company, follow the link below.AddThis Sharing ButtonsShare to FacebookFacebookShare to TwitterTwitterShare to PrintPrintShare to EmailEmailShare to MoreAddThis
1 Oct 2008 17:47 Twitter Twitter Topics Share Twitter Share on Facebook Share on Facebook 0 1 | Pick 1 Oct 2008 11:57 Comments 33 Simon Jordan was upset by the sale of John Bostock to Spurs in the summer. Photograph: Richard Saker/Guardian 0 1 MrMydak Muntzer Facebook Share on Facebook View more comments Sportblog 0 1 | Pick Threads collapsed 0 1 Crystal Palace Share via Email Share on Twitter Reply Close report comment form Facebook Sort that one out.Everybodys` at it. comments (33)Sign in or create your Guardian account to join the discussion. Order by oldest Facebook | Pick Reply Reply Reply 50 100 All Report How very dare these football players try to make as much money as they possibly can during their limited number of playing days … how very dare they. Who the f*ck do they think they are … demanding £10k a week? … Some ridiculous yuppie ego in a suit … or something? You wouldn’t catch ‘business types’ trying to do anything like that.Anybody would think that professional footballers had spent their entire adult lives making the personal sacrifices of a professional athelete, honing their skills and perfecting their talent, competing against other young men of similar ambition, in a ruthless, presurised and unforgiving work environement. expanded unthreaded 1 2 rog | Pick Report 25 1 Oct 2008 20:30 Reply antonyob Reply Championship | Pick Facebook Reply Report recommendations Report 0 1 Share on Facebook Officer Facebook Reply 1 Oct 2008 20:32 Share Share Facebook Report 1 Oct 2008 18:28 Reply 0 1 Please select Personal abuse Off topic Legal issue Trolling Hate speech Offensive/Threatening language Copyright Spam Other Share on Twitter I’ll miss him. He gives great quote. Report Report Twitter Twitter | Pick Report MarcelaProust Share on Twitter Facebook I think that’s wrong, it’s much cheaper, although it takes longer, to develop players. The clubs outside the Premier League should be investing much more in developing players.The problem is that players under 16 can’t sign a professional contract, so big clubs can often just step in and poach the most talented prospects before they’ve signed their contracts, as happened with that Palace kid Bostock recently. The tribunal system is supposed to ensure that clubs get properly renumerated for their loss, but tribunal decisions seldom reflect the actual market value of the player (or his potential future value).In light of cases like the Bostock case, who can blame smaller clubs for thinking that investing heavily in youth development is a waste of money? Reply Share on Twitter Twitter I’d really like to feel sorry for him, but somehow I just….don’t. Share on Twitter domprague Twitter Report 1 Oct 2008 10:40 1 Oct 2008 16:52 Facebook Shares00 Edgeley Well said, DonutsAtHome and also Wynters. Perhaps if some of these players really were so dedicated they’d be able to kick the ball with either foot and wouldn’t keep falling out of nightclubs smashed out of their skulls. Share on Facebook newest Report Share Share on Twitter 0 1 Share on Twitter Share on Facebook Jordan makes it crystal clear: life at the Palace has become impossible for a mere millionaire Report They can’t afford to develop players/blockquote>I think that’s wrong, it’s much cheaper, although it takes longer, to develop players. The clubs outside the Premier League should be investing much more in developing players. | Pick Plissken Share on Twitter Share 1 Oct 2008 20:59 Share Twitter Share Facebook This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted. For more detail see our FAQs. Facebook Facebook 0 1 Report Twitter Share Twitter Share Share on Twitter Share on Facebook Report 1 Oct 2008 18:48 DonutsAtHome 0 1 Facebook antonyob’Warnocks a legend, i dont understand why people dislike him’I find the second part of that statement quite believeable …. considering who posted it. 1 Oct 2008 18:16 Share Share on Facebook Share on Twitter 1 Oct 2008 21:27 Muntzer Share on Facebook Facebook … we have a small favour to ask. The Guardian will engage with the most critical issues of our time – from the escalating climate catastrophe to widespread inequality to the influence of big tech on our lives. At a time when factual information is a necessity, we believe that each of us, around the world, deserves access to accurate reporting with integrity at its heart.More people are reading and supporting The Guardian’s independent, investigative journalism than ever before. 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Thank you. sciacca Twitter Share Report Championship 2008-09 Facebook Facebook Share on Twitter Facebook I like how Chairman John is used as an example of a man of great wealth owning a football club (reading), when he is propably being much more agressive than Jordan in trying to find a much wealthier person/group to buy his club off of him. Twitter Spiralling costs prompt Simon Jordan’s decision to sell Crystal Palace, with club no nearer to owning its ground or playing in Premier League 1 Oct 2008 20:27 Share on Facebook To get a space at the top table is going to cost you £100 million at least.Much as I hate to disagree with the Tikka-tinged Jordan, he is right about wages. Players ask for them based on the PL structure, which pays a ridiculous amount more. Clubs give because they are desperate to get on the PL gravy train. They can’t afford to develop players and have to buy success – and in a market full of bidders, the price goes up. Reply 0 1 First published on Tue 30 Sep 2008 19.03 EDT Share on Twitter 0 1 Share bobshirunkel Sportblog MarcelaProust If Jordan’s got a watch as big as his head the dial must rival the one in the Clock Tower at Westminster. Twitter 0 1 | Pick Share on Twitter Spacebanj0 ‘I want to do other things’.Such as … bringing his haircut, fashion sense and personality out of 1990 (the year that Palace reached an FA Cup final and Margaret Thatcher resigned from office) and into the 21st century.All I can say (because Simon Jordan’s ego is such that he probably employs some flunky on a minimum wage solely to scour the media for anything about him) is that he and Neil Warnock are a match made in heaven who perhaps, in a previous life, literally were merchant bankers. Facebook Tue 30 Sep 2008 19.03 EDT Sorry there was an error. Please try again later. If the problem persists, please contact Userhelp Crystal Palace Share 0 1 Share on Facebook | Pick 0 1 Share Share 1 Oct 2008 17:29 Twitter | Pick Reuse this content,View all comments > Report OldTom Share on Twitter MrMydak Twitter | Pick Share on Facebook HenryLloydMoon Facebook Reason (optional) When Simon Jordan bought Crystal Palace in July 2000, flush with £36m from selling his mobile phone company to One2One, the club’s fans could hope that he would deliver Premier League football and a ground shinier than today’s weathered Selhurst Park. Eight years on, with Jordan having fought sundry energetic battles and become something of a celebrity – and with Palace having enjoyed a single season in the Premier League – he says almost all of that money has been spent. Palace are in the Championship relegation zone, still do not own Selhurst Park and are mortgaged to a hedge fund, Agilo, which describes itself as specialising in “distressed companies”.Jordan laughed at the idea that Palace is a “distressed company” and emphasised that he is not under financial pressure. But he did say he has had enough of football and he does want to sell the club. “I want to do other things,” he said. “I will miss the fans, and I will miss Neil Warnock [Palace’s manager], but I won’t miss much else. I’m fed up with avaricious footballers.” During Jordan’s time in English football, the ownership of its clubs has been transformed. What was once a sport controlled by a band of domestic millionaires, of whom Palace’s Ron Noades was an archetype, has become a billionaires’ playground. Premier League clubs have become honeypots for the international rich list and the Championship is increasingly peopled by owners considerably richer than Jordan. Wolverhampton Wanderers, who are top of the league, are run by the property developer Steve Morgan; Queens Park Rangers, numbering Lakshmi Mittal and Bernie Ecclestone among their shareholders, had the world’s richest owners until Sheikh Mansour bought Manchester City; Bristol City, Reading, Sheffield United and Nottingham Forest – owned by the venture capitalist Nigel Doughty – are owned by men of great wealth.For a man of Jordan’s means, that makes life in the Championship seem grim. While the Premier League’s £2.7bn television income barely trickles down, wages demanded by players who might get clubs up have soared. Crowds remain high, yet clubs struggle to compete and balance the books. After two years in profit following promotion to the Premier League in 2004, last year Palace lost £2.5m. “In the Championship, there are clubs which have come down and get parachute money, clubs of ambition with new owners, and promoted clubs willing to pay exorbitant salaries,” Jordan said. “Championship revenues have got bigger but not in proportion to players’ wages, which are totally out of kilter with any industry in the country. This summer every player I tried to sign had a starting demand of £10,000 a week.” On top of the £10m he paid to buy Palace, Jordan says he has spent £25m funding the club’s losses. Palace’s most recent accounts, for the year to June 2007, show that he had loaned the club £1.2m and was guaranteeing Palace’s borrowings, which were £7.2m. The club’s separation from owning Selhurst Park has been a problem since Noades sold the club to Mark Goldberg in 1998. Goldberg agreed to pay Noades separate figures for the club and the ground but never delivered the further £7m required to buy Selhurst Park. Noades’ company, Altonwood, held on to the ground, and Palace paid rent to play there until November 2006, when Jordan announced he had bought it back, for £12m. That turned out to be not quite the case. The company which bought the ground was Selhurst Park Limited, which had no apparent connection to Jordan. A director was Paul Kemsley, the property developer, former Tottenham Hotspur vice-chairman and well-known friend of Sir Alan Sugar and Mike Ashley. Documents since filed at Companies House show that until at least December 27 2007, the 60% owner of Selhurst Park was in fact Joe Lewis, a billionaire trader who lives in the Bahamas and is also the majority owner of Spurs. Daniel Levy, the Spurs chairman, was a director and small shareholder of the Lewis company which owned the majority of Selhurst Park. The ground was held via a chain of companies. Selhurst Park Limited was wholly owned by Rock Joint Ventures Limited, which was 40% owned by Uberior Ventures Limited, a subsidiary of HBOS, and 60% owned by Rock Investment Holdings. On December 27 2007 Rock Investment Holdings was taken over by Rapallo Limited. That company was ultimately owned by the Kenwood Trust, registered in the Bahamas, of which Lewis is the beneficiary, with Levy having a small shareholding.A Spurs spokeswoman said that since last December Levy and Lewis had reduced their shareholdings, and now had only a nominal interest in the Rock companies. Jordan said the ground is now wholly owned by Kemsley, and last April he agreed a 25-year lease for Palace to play on it, at £1.25m a year. “I bought it originally in a joint venture with Paul Kemsley,” Jordan said. “He arranged the finance, I serviced it, and if Palace were to move ground, we would share the income from building houses on Selhurst Park.” Jordan added that he tried to raise the money to buy the ground outright, but could not: “Now we have restructured it. Paul Kemsley owns the ground, he gets a yield and Palace have the security of a 25-year lease.” In June this year, Jordan mortgaged Palace, its leases on Selhurst Park and the Beckenham training ground, his own shares in the club and all payments due from the Football League or Premier League to the Agilo Master Fund, which is registered at a PO box in George Town, in the Cayman Islands. On its website Agilo Limited, which manages investments for the Agilo Master Fund, describes itself as: “The London-based fund manager of Agilo Fund Limited, a fund based in the Cayman Islands that invests in distressed companies and special situations.” Jordan scoffed at the notion that Palace is “distressed”, saying the wording was just Agilo’s terminology. However, he confirmed that he had borrowed money from Agilo for Palace, adding he could not do so from mainstream banks because they do not want to lend to football clubs. “A lot of banks don’t want to take a club on,” he said. “They’re nervous about football. I didn’t have to borrow money, but made a commercial decision to do so. Agilo is a hedge fund, lending to what is considered a high-risk sector. I had a relationship with them and did a deal which I felt was right.” Jordan would not say how much he had borrowed or at what rate. He stressed that he is not selling the club because of financial concerns. “Nobody can say I didn’t have a go, or fight every battle, and Palace will benefit from the vigour I have brought to it. But I don’t want to keep committing my money to the football club. It’s my devout intention to sell it this year. I want to find a buyer, and move on.” In a game of billionaires, the Palace millionaire says his time is up. Ground for concernSelhurst Park, Crystal Palace’s home since 1924, remained under the ownership of Ron Noades’ company, Altonwood, after he sold the club to Mark Goldberg in 1998. In November 2006 Selhurst Park One bought the ground from Altonwood for £12m, then immediately transferred it to Selhurst Park Limited. Selhurst Park Limited was 100% owned by Rock Joint Ventures Limited. It was 40% owned by Uberior Ventures Limited, a subsidiary of the bank HBOS, and 60% owned by Rock Investment Holdings. On December 27 2007 Rock Investment Holdings was taken over by PML Group, a subsidiary of Rapallo Limited. Most of Rapallo Ltd was owned by Kenwood International Inc. That company was owned by The Kenwood Trust, registered in the Bahamas. Tottenham Hotspur’s majority owner, Joe Lewis, was the beneficiary and thus the 60% owner of Selhurst Park. Lewis is now said to have reduced his shareholding in Rock Joint Ventures. Palace’s owner, Simon Jordan, says the ground is wholly owned by Paul Kemsley. Palace have a 25-year-lease. | Pick 1 Oct 2008 19:00 | Pick Share Share MarcelaProust | Pick 2 Twitter Facebook think that’s wrong, it’s much cheaper, although it takes longer, to develop players. The clubs outside the Premier League should be investing much more in developing players.First off, developing a player takes time. Few clubs have that luxury.Second, if you manage to find a player, chances are he’ll be nicked by a PL club* as soon as he hits 16.*Mentioning no Arsenals | Pick Twitter 0 1 Wynters Twitter Share on Facebook ThrobbingRabona | Pick 0 1 1 Oct 2008 16:27 Share on Twitter Twitter Share on Twitter | Pick 1 Oct 2008 21:10 0 1 Nizza1966 0 1 Report | Pick Share Share MP”Anybody would think that professional footballers had spent their entire adult lives making the personal sacrifices of a professional athelete, honing their skills and perfecting their talent, competing against other young men of similar ambition, in a ruthless, presurised and unforgiving work environement.”And yet, they still can’t take a corner, reliably score a penalty or manage to avoid row Z with more than half their free kicks…Frankly, life might be tough for top-level footballers, but it’s a damn sight tougher for just about anyone else. Teachers? Nurses? Police? Juggling the demands of family, work, bills…Yes, my heart bleeds for footballers and all the personal sacrifices they have to endure, it really does.I assume you would back the police refusing to work unless they were each paid £10,000 a week? Health professionals? Etc, etc, etc… Share on Twitter Twitter | Pick Reply 1 0 1 Report Nimeth | Pick Share on Facebook Plissken Facebook Share on Facebook Facebook Twitter Share Show 25 Sometimes, I get misty-eyed and pine for the 20th century and think of Busby, Shankly, Nicholson, Stein, Paisley and Clough. Maybe in fifty years time, Ill be dreaming of the days of Jordan, Scudamore, Kenyon, Levy, Ashley, Kelmsley when it’s all so much worse.Just think. If M. Platini simply reconvened what used to be the worlds greatest club tournament, the European Cup, which, since being known (as an arch misnomer) as the Champions League, has simply become a money-making power-centralising circus of corporatised rubbish.Champion club would play champion club without the multi-club participation from ‘strong’ leagues that has wrecked league after league after league across the continent, with the money divided equally between national associations rather than directly to the clubs.A new, youthful audience who otherwise might believe that the history of European club football was written by medium-sized domestically middle-ranking sides like Chelsea rather than genuine giants of the sport such as Benfica, Feyenoord, Ajax, Red Star Belgrade or Celtic, none of whom will ever win the tournament again.Maybe he will, maybe he wont. Maybe he will just tinker with it so little changes whilst employing the classic smokescreen of buggering about with the UEFA Cup again, this time giving it a new name and logo.Very, very disappointing Michel. Deep down, even you must wish that St Etienne could retrace the steps they trod in the European Cup in the late 1970s. Or at the very least, that any French club, even Lyon, could stand a chance of winning it. Or maybe you just want an English, Spanish or Italian club to win the Champions League for ever, just to keep yourself in gravy. Reply gérard depardieustruggles with his lines afterabusing fake tan Share on Twitter £10k per week.Thats Half a mill a year before quite substantial tax deductions, leaving about £300K per year.Admittedly a large chunk of money.Lets say they earn that for… 12 yearsthats £3.6million in their career.now someone on roughly average wage of about £24K per year, or £18.5K net would take oh… oopsroughly 194 years to earn that much.bugger was hoping for some great way of illustrating that it evens out in the endah well 1 Oct 2008 19:15 Share on Twitter 1 Oct 2008 18:44 Share on Twitter Reply collapsed Facebook Warnocks a legend, i dont understand why people dislike him !.Libel laws prevent my from venting my spleen, but ask any Oldham or Bury fan what they think of Colin and you’ll get plenty of answers. That’s not to mention any right-minded football fan. After Thatcher (still), he’s second on my hit list. 1 Oct 2008 19:13 Share via Email 0 1 | Pick Support The Guardian 1 Oct 2008 20:51 1 Oct 2008 19:53 pikaia Reply Report | Pick Report 1 Oct 2008 17:52 Reply Reply Share on Facebook Share on Facebook David Conn oldest 0 1 1 Oct 2008 14:46 Share on Pinterest Share on WhatsApp Share on Twitter Report Most footballers don’t earn 10k pw. Professional players in Divs 1, 2 and Conference usually earn below 10% of that amount.Some of them, through luck or skill, get picked up by bigger clubs, and who can blame them for trying to get bigger rewards.As my estimable fellow County supporting poster Old Tom has pointed out, the owners of the big clubs have brought the plague of high player salaries on themselves with their relentless pursuit of ever more income for the big clubs, their attempts to create clear water between themselves and the lower ranked clubs, making it easier for the better players to make ever higher demands. If young reasonably good players are motivated only by money, they are better off sitting unused in the reserve squads of a premiership giant rather than playing league football every weekend; and the Chelseas of this world make this possible by encouraging the good young players of League 1 and 2 clubs to join them and hoovering up much of the talent. For every Walcott there are a dozen Worleys.It would be easier to have sympathy for Jordan if he hadn’t spent the last 10 years or so trying to get his team glued into the big boys. And if it wasn’t pretty obvious from his interview that he wouldn’t really mind if Selhurst Park was a housing estate. Share on Twitter Football is a microcosmic example of what is happening in society at large.We have a perverted, inverted, sense of values that makes Jonathan Ross worth £6m a year, our boy Robinho worth about the same, because they can entertain, and potentially help people sell other products whereas a nurse or a teacher is worth precisely f-all. Our lives (and I suppose I should include my own in this) must be so fucking dull if we’re willing to pay these prices!Footballers do have short careers when they can command high earnings, but anybody can live on 1K a week, so 10 years at a minimum 10K per week gives these guys (excluding interest) enough for their next 100 years.If there was anybody in this world who could tell me the difference between a player on 80K per week and 90K per week, just by watching them play, then I’d feel more comfortable with it. As it is, and I know a few players, a lot of them are dickheads with too much money; lots of opportunity to do something good with it, but instead (see Tim Sherwood article) busy collecting 21K watches. I mean, we know businessmen are scum who squirrel away fortunes and spend it on yachts etc, but footballers are supposed to be our heroes; our own people made good; they symbolize a lot of things;our kids look up to them and aspire to be them.I guess, if we must be honest, I’m jealous! Young, fit, rich, gobshites, not all of those adjectives apply to me! Share on Facebook Facebook 0 1 Share | Pick Report Share on Facebook Reply Twitter Facebook blogposts Share on Facebook 1 Oct 2008 18:40 Twitter 0 1 Reply I can’t go as far as MP in thinking that many (most? any?) of the players are somehow worthy of 10K pw just because they’ve done as described in that second paragraph (let’s be honest, they’re not) but it’s the greediness and narcissism of the idiots running the clubs that has allowed this to happen – they allowed the Prem to come into being the way it did, to become the overwhelming monstrosity it now is and those who’ve wanted to get involved have been prepared to spend very silly money to get there. So in that regard Jordan perhaps need to look to his peers for the answers. The footballers are merely the willing beneficiaries of the system and ethos that’s in place. I suspect that for all my principles, if I were them I’d be trying to make as much as cash as someone would pay me for about 6 half-days a week.Jordan provides good copy, there’s no doubt about that. And the football world needs a few more straight talkers. But if I were a Palace fan reading this I’m not sure I’d be sitting very comfortably. Report Share on Twitter Reply Share on LinkedIn Reply Share on Facebook Reply Reply For someone as rich as him to say that he’s “fed up with avaricious footballers” is a touch amusing to say the least. Still, I do remember a Guardian article some years back that suggested teh Col Gadaffi was about to buy the club, so things could be worse… Maybe Simon could look at another club that get similar gates to Palace, don’t own their ground and are not run by people with vast sums of money behind them. They beat Arsenal 2-1 on Saturday night. You might have heard of them. If Simon Jordan has failed, then much of that is the fault of Simon Jordan. I look forward to seeing him make a tit of himself on various reality TV shows after he departs Selhurst Park. Reply Report Share Share on Facebook 1 Oct 2008 21:41 Loading comments… Trouble loading? Crikey. Report Share on Facebook Share on Messenger Share on Facebook Sign in or create your Guardian account to recommend a comment Twitter Since you’re here… Report Share on Facebook | Pick Share Share on Twitter Share Email (optional) Share on Twitter Share on Facebook Share on Twitter 0 1